This is a free world,people should left to dress the way they please

and since it is a free world don’t you think that people are also free to say or discourage what they don’t like?

your input is most welcomed Michael,but still i think there should be limitations in matters of the church,as much as iam not against the general wear of these clothes in public since it is a person’s will to wear one,the church has doctrines and for the fellowship to be meaningful some public laws shouldn’t be applied to the church,am totally against the habit of some ladies going to church with an inch of a skirt,imagine the preachers standing in front of one of these ladies who is showing off her commodities in this style,will it be a fair temptation from God?

Thank you sarah for the support,the bottom line is truly the Doctrine of the church,it is utterly against the doctrines of the church to expose our private parts , the big book says our body is God’s temple.

And i want thank you for the input because you have brought forward an issue that is affecting modern churches,many people go there in the name of worshiping yet they are actually going to find couples.

before michael reads it,i think i will be the first Sarah

then France is what hinders you the face of reality out here in the rest of the world,governments rule but people make governments.

it is okay,is it in one of your posts?

i not only enjoyed it,i loved it,here we have a man who really was blessed with a brain that can think wide and yet be simple in presenting.

It is a good poem with a very good message for the society,i just hope everybody who comments on this page today will get some extra time to go there and read it.

dressing is also part of culture Ramesh,and culture is a way of life,in going to church we always show that we are ready to do away with some of our worldly cultures and follow the demands of the church or the gospel,so actually the church should bother because it is the church that is mandated to transform people to be closer to God by living in the ways that are acceptable to society

give me some few minutes,iam trying to find it,where is it?

two people totaly missing each others points,i didn’t mean to be political,the meaning of my statement is that the in the society,it is people who make a church and if the people are bad then little is expected from the church the opposite being true,the church stands as an aspect of governance in society because it makes people evaluate themselves as per the rules that are set or were set during those BC years and therefore for the church to stand it needs people who can abide by God’s wish for the worldly churches,as for ’France’ it comes into my imagination as a symbol of your views.

i hope some cloud has been cleared somewhere in Paris near Timbuktu

till death does you apart i believe.

Sure,when we speak of symbols,i remember my literature teacher taught us how to use them too i knew you were using France as a symbol that is why i have every right to symbolise your point of discussion with it because the first France was your’s but the second one was from my point of view.

and by the way, (Ok, why would anyone WANT to live in Britain LOL!!)

just like the way i agree with the churches

you are right Duncan

Sarah is right some people go to the churches to find Mr and Mrs rights,so naturally they have to make themselves appear as available or approachable

we are two there sarah,i happen to be in the same shoes as yours

i have read the poem too Sarah but i can’t understand where it comes from or where it is going,i think i will have to ask my dear poet friend Duncan to interpret it to me.

Duncan be fair to mail me your point of view as far as that poem is concerned,i know i can rely on you

absolutely not,maybe if someone else has an issue with it.

i wonder why Ramesh it should bother

this happens many times and am sure the residents of IB know it and you have no cause to worry

Hei Duncan,
Bravo to everyone who contributed to this but first i need someone to tell me what is a church?
I might be confused that why i decided to keep a low profile on this matter.
And what confuses me most why didn’t this particular church state such rules when it was being started since it wasn’t started yesterday.
And since women have been wearing these attires before what was the pastor/preacher waiting for?
My confusion is compounded by the fact that there is a verse in the bible which states that women should not wear men’s clothes so which are these clothes? since i wonder where it is mentioned in the bible that trousers were meant for men.

i forgot to say that i love the discussion that has been in here,for instance it makes me wonder,( why would anyone WANT to live in Kenya!)

Hei Sarah u mean people there go church indecently to search for husbands? because here i think if you want to get yourself one from the church you have to dress decently.

i think you have come here with a very different point in head Rose,i have taken time to read this post and the comments and am pretty sure we are not only talking about the specific mentioned church but ”the church as envisioned in the bible” and if you will go through the comments you will agree that alot has been discussed and your quiz is answered in here,i first stated my stand that their is nothing in clothing but i also agree with the members in here that clothing has a point moreover the people in here decided to tackle that topic from a bigger perspective and none of them if you were keen is fighting women who wear trousers.

i think you have come here with a very different point in head Rose,i have taken time to read this post and the comments and am pretty sure we are not only talking about the specific mentioned church but ”the church as envisioned in the bible” and if you will go through the comments you will agree that alot has been discussed and your quiz is answered in here,i first stated my stand that their is nothing in clothing but i also agree with the members in here that clothing has a point moreover the people in here decided to tackle that topic from a bigger perspective and none of them if you were keen is fighting women who wear trousers.

maybe he is

You raise a valid query Rose, with which I concur. Has Apostle James been feasting his eyes all this while when he knew it was wrong or has he just received some new revelation? If that is the rate at which light is being received at the said church, the world may well end before they’ve switched from minis to skirts then back to trousers.

A shepherd who knows what he is doing ought to fix his flock’s spirit and everything else will fall into (or out of!) place. When he says he doesn’t mind losing a few non-compliant faithfuls, it clearly shows that he’s not in the business of nourishing spirits. He has already made lots of money from them and they can now leave if they want because he doesn’t really care about their spiritual welfare. Never did and never will.

To paraphrase;

Woe unto ye false apostles; for you enter not into the Kingdom of the Lord, yet you stop those who are entering not to.

...it is the church that is mandated to transform people to be closer to God by living in the ways that are acceptable to society

Duncan, this is contradictory. If people are to be closer to God it has to be on His terms. Not by what is acceptable to society. What society finds acceptable is not necessarily acceptable to God.

...in going to church we always show that we are ready to do away with some of our worldly cultures and follow the demands of the church or the gospel...

We are doing a pretty awful job on this one because our worldly ways seem to have completely eclipsed the demands of the gospel. The so called gospel of prosperity that is propagated by the likes of apostle James Maina makes a complete mockery of the scriptures. It is this kind of selfish and unfettered liberalism with the Word that has led to the confusion in the churches. If it is okay for the church’s youth groups to have gospel jam sessions, replete with hip gyrations and the occasional grabbing of the crotch, why not the mini to go with it? Or the boys’ trouser belted at mid-buttocks? And rapping for the Lord.

...it is the church that is mandated to transform people to be closer to God by living in the ways that are acceptable to society

Duncan, this is contradictory. If people are to be closer to God it has to be on His terms. Not by what is acceptable to society. What society finds acceptable is not necessarily acceptable to God.

...in going to church we always show that we are ready to do away with some of our worldly cultures and follow the demands of the church or the gospel...

We are doing a pretty awful job on this one because our worldly ways seem to have completely eclipsed the demands of the gospel. The so called gospel of prosperity that is propagated by the likes of apostle James Maina makes a complete mockery of the scriptures. It is this kind of selfish and unfettered liberalism with the Word that has led to the confusion in the churches. If it is okay for the church’s youth groups to have gospel jam sessions, replete with hip gyrations and the occasional grabbing of the crotch, why not the mini to go with it? Or the boys’ trouser belted at mid-buttocks? And rapping for the Lord.

i didn’t know we have two people in here sharing shoes! Sarah and Johnsone,could you please tell us the size of the shoes.

you are right Sarah,the point is that most of these hunters will always be active outside the church walls than inside,and about the dressing,i think the ones who dress decently are always a part of the genuine believers in the church that are just single and searching but believe me you we have others that are not believers thay just go there with one target:Getting a man or a woman.

true johnstone

when you say ”If people are to be closer to God it has to be on His terms. Not by what is acceptable to society. What society finds acceptable is not necessarily acceptable to God.” you just support my argument brother don’t you think so?
I said clearly that the church has its doctrines and you are right some things are acceptable in society but to God,they aren’t and this is our topic of discussion here,so you better realize that when one goes to church when almost naked that is not a trend acceptable to God.

It weakens the faith of the person and also the congregation don’t you think?

Thanx Harun i hate to see innocent people being misled,when these so called apostles are wooing people to join their churches they always seem to accomodate people from all divides which is not bad, but after amassing enough wealth thats the time they consider issues they deem right but only after accomplishing their goals. And pliz Johnstone get me well i do not support anyone going to church skimply dressed i only want bring some sense in the whole saga if this apostle was sincere enough he would have set his record clear and right at the beginning.

am going to do that my brother but what i should tell you is that,in poetry we have many interpretation of poetry i might look at it from a different point as you too look at it from another totally different one but in the end of the day both of us are justified,

what am simply telling you is that whatever that you might be thinking about that poem is true to you and can be a point of argument.

expect my point of view very soon,i won’t let you down

Rose,are we in any way trying to justify the so-called apostles or we are simply giving our own views concerning the subject that the so-called apostles started?

Harun,i support your comment that”A shepherd who knows what he is doing ought to fix his flock’s spirit and everything else will fall into (or out of!) place. When he says he doesn’t mind losing a few non-compliant faithfuls, it clearly shows that he’s not in the business of nourishing spirits. He has already made lots of money from them and they can now leave if they want because he doesn’t really care about their spiritual welfare. Never did and never will”

Actually the shepherd’s words are not good.

both of us happen to wear size 50

these current world apostles are only but a bunch of greedy hypocrites,it is rare to find one who is genuinely concerned about the faithfuls of the church he/she leads

some of these shepherds are more wicked than Saturn himself

size 50 is very big for a lady,i just hope Sarah will tell me the truth because to me i can see you even don’t know the size.
Sarah can you give it a try? lest i remain thinking that kajohny is saying the truth after all.

you are right Kajohny,very few of them are in for the gospel

a good move by the church

if i may ask,what is in a dress?

but also some men go to church to look for wives,and this should not be ignored because you people in here are just hard on women but you forget the role men play in effect to women’s behaviours.

i support rose here,decency is the only thing that can give someone marks in this sector of Hubby/wife seeking.

the church should not bother about dress,it should only bother about the souls

Sarah,am also going to read this poem

You are right Rose,some people always judge others depending on judge sheets that are baseless.

Before judging the dress code,let us judge our conduct in the churches,is it worthy going to church nowadays?

I have gone trough many comments in here and am convinced that everybody has some homework to do,our ladies should try to dress decently in church and our pastors should change their attitude,what we are seeing in society these days is business cartels under the name of churches.it is highest time the sheep separated from the wolf.