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Johnstone

Johnstone — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

This is a free world,people should left to dress the way they please

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

and since it is a free world don’t you think that people are also free to say or discourage what they don’t like?

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

you are right Duncan

Abigael Nyaboke

Abigael Nyaboke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

if i may ask,what is in a dress?

Michael C

Michael C — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

There are no easy answers to this one. It all depends how you see things, and people DO see things differently. That’s normal.

For those who think the church belongs to the people, this is bad....

...and those who think the church belongs to god believe that what the church says should be obeyed.

The subject of mini-skirts in public is different though. People ARE society, and everyone should be free to wear what they wish in a ”free and open society”. That’s obvious in my view.......

Interesting post Duncan. Thanks.

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I think you’re right M. People just focus on who it belongs to, rather than on what it represents. Clergy men are no Gods, but the church is idealistically a place of divinity, spirituality, worship, genuine heartfelt emotions etc...I’m gonna have to agree with the church on this one..It saddens me here in Egypt when women go to church looking like they’re trying to find a husband. It’s disrespectful to the entire doctrine of a place of worship, church or mosque or synagogue.

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

your input is most welcomed Michael,but still i think there should be limitations in matters of the church,as much as iam not against the general wear of these clothes in public since it is a person’s will to wear one,the church has doctrines and for the fellowship to be meaningful some public laws shouldn’t be applied to the church,am totally against the habit of some ladies going to church with an inch of a skirt,imagine the preachers standing in front of one of these ladies who is showing off her commodities in this style,will it be a fair temptation from God?

Michael C

Michael C — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Wow!! Do some women go to church to find a husband?!! You know I don’t go to church Sarah, but, like you, I think if you use a church for anything else but your spiritual life you shouldn’t be there....

Seeya!

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thank you sarah for the support,the bottom line is truly the Doctrine of the church,it is utterly against the doctrines of the church to expose our private parts , the big book says our body is God’s temple.

And i want thank you for the input because you have brought forward an issue that is affecting modern churches,many people go there in the name of worshiping yet they are actually going to find couples.

Michael C

Michael C — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hi Duncan,

I would tend to agree with you, if I had to choose..

But, as they say here in France, ”There are as many governments* in France as thee are people”! lol

(* - Read ”opinions”)

Seeya!!!!

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

then France is what hinders you the face of reality out here in the rest of the world,governments rule but people make governments.

Michael C

Michael C — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”then France is what hinders you the face of reality out here in the rest of the world,governments rule but people make governments”.

You obviously didn’t understand the subtlety of the idiomatic expression I quoted. It simply means there are different points of view on subjects.

The expression has nothing to to with politics. The reference to ”government” is just a metaphor. Hey come on Duncan, wake up!!LOL!!

I am no more ”hindered” than anyone else, and ”governments rule but people make governments”, although a naive belief, is the same theory here as anywhere else.

Your comment surprises me.....

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

two people totaly missing each others points,i didn’t mean to be political,the meaning of my statement is that the in the society,it is people who make a church and if the people are bad then little is expected from the church the opposite being true,the church stands as an aspect of governance in society because it makes people evaluate themselves as per the rules that are set or were set during those BC years and therefore for the church to stand it needs people who can abide by God’s wish for the worldly churches,as for ’France’ it comes into my imagination as a symbol of your views.

i hope some cloud has been cleared somewhere in Paris near Timbuktu

Michael C

Michael C — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I absolutely agree! Well said.

Oh, and although I live in France (Ok, why would anyone WANT to live in France LOL!!) I’m actually British, for better or for worse, as they say in marriage vows.

Speak soon Duncan..........

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

till death does you apart i believe.

Sure,when we speak of symbols,i remember my literature teacher taught us how to use them too i knew you were using France as a symbol that is why i have every right to symbolise your point of discussion with it because the first France was your’s but the second one was from my point of view.

and by the way, (Ok, why would anyone WANT to live in Britain LOL!!)

Michael C

Michael C — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

LOLOLOL ”Why would anyone want to live in Britain?”

I agree with that question, Duncan, my friend.

The proof is that ”I DON’T”!!!

Nosiree!

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

just like the way i agree with the churches

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sarah is right some people go to the churches to find Mr and Mrs rights,so naturally they have to make themselves appear as available or approachable

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i forgot to say that i love the discussion that has been in here,for instance it makes me wonder,( why would anyone WANT to live in Kenya!)

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i didn’t know we have two people in here sharing shoes! Sarah and Johnsone,could you please tell us the size of the shoes.

Johnstone

Johnstone — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

both of us happen to wear size 50

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

size 50 is very big for a lady,i just hope Sarah will tell me the truth because to me i can see you even don’t know the size.

Sarah can you give it a try? lest i remain thinking that kajohny is saying the truth after all.

Abigael Nyaboke

Abigael Nyaboke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

but also some men go to church to look for wives,and this should not be ignored because you people in here are just hard on women but you forget the role men play in effect to women’s behaviours.

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You know Michael that was one of the reasons I stopped going...I stopped feeling like it was church, I read your post about why you stopped...my reason was less traumatic I must say...but in Orthodox-Egyptian-Christianity, traumatic experiences tend to build up over the years you know...

Have you read Church Going? The poem by Larkin?

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

before michael reads it,i think i will be the first Sarah

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

we are two there sarah,i happen to be in the same shoes as yours

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

is it wrong for me to find comfort in the fact tht u share this with me john?

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

absolutely not,maybe if someone else has an issue with it.

Rose Ng'ang'a

Rose Ng'ang'a — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hei Sarah u mean people there go church indecently to search for husbands? because here i think if you want to get yourself one from the church you have to dress decently.

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hey Rose..

What I meant wasn’t necessarily in reference to ’decency’ per say. After all, it’s a very subjective term.

I think decency in this sense isn’t about external attire, but an entire behavior.

But to be clearer, what I mean is a girl in her 20’s, will go to church on Christmas eve, wearing her diamonds, her short skirt, her high heals, her full makeup, her colored contact lenses, her hair done to perfection and her eyes scanning the floors for that christian potential bachelor who will find her classy enough amidst the walls of this ’holy’ place. Oh, that’s if they ever actually enter the church itself. Most church events are spent outside the doors chattering away and laughing and socializing.

Hardly decent, wouldn’t you say?

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

you are right Sarah,the point is that most of these hunters will always be active outside the church walls than inside,and about the dressing,i think the ones who dress decently are always a part of the genuine believers in the church that are just single and searching but believe me you we have others that are not believers thay just go there with one target:Getting a man or a woman.

Abigael Nyaboke

Abigael Nyaboke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i support rose here,decency is the only thing that can give someone marks in this sector of Hubby/wife seeking.

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Tell me what you think of it then Duncan..it’s a beautiful poem that I spent a long time studying carefully...

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Tell me what you think of it then Duncan..it’s a beautiful poem that I spent a long time studying carefully...

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

give me some few minutes,iam trying to find it,where is it?

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

sorry about that:S

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

it is okay,is it in one of your posts?

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

this happens many times and am sure the residents of IB know it and you have no cause to worry

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

true johnstone

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Why should Church bother about dresses of the devotee?

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Well Ramesh, if you’re holding a prayer for someone dear to you, wouldn’t you like people to show up looking decent, or at least respectful?

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

dressing is also part of culture Ramesh,and culture is a way of life,in going to church we always show that we are ready to do away with some of our worldly cultures and follow the demands of the church or the gospel,so actually the church should bother because it is the church that is mandated to transform people to be closer to God by living in the ways that are acceptable to society

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i wonder why Ramesh it should bother

Harun Lumiti

Harun Lumiti — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

...it is the church that is mandated to transform people to be closer to God by living in the ways that are acceptable to society

Duncan, this is contradictory. If people are to be closer to God it has to be on His terms. Not by what is acceptable to society. What society finds acceptable is not necessarily acceptable to God.

...in going to church we always show that we are ready to do away with some of our worldly cultures and follow the demands of the church or the gospel...

We are doing a pretty awful job on this one because our worldly ways seem to have completely eclipsed the demands of the gospel. The so called gospel of prosperity that is propagated by the likes of apostle James Maina makes a complete mockery of the scriptures. It is this kind of selfish and unfettered liberalism with the Word that has led to the confusion in the churches. If it is okay for the church’s youth groups to have gospel jam sessions, replete with hip gyrations and the occasional grabbing of the crotch, why not the mini to go with it? Or the boys’ trouser belted at mid-buttocks? And rapping for the Lord.

Harun Lumiti

Harun Lumiti — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

...it is the church that is mandated to transform people to be closer to God by living in the ways that are acceptable to society

Duncan, this is contradictory. If people are to be closer to God it has to be on His terms. Not by what is acceptable to society. What society finds acceptable is not necessarily acceptable to God.

...in going to church we always show that we are ready to do away with some of our worldly cultures and follow the demands of the church or the gospel...

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

when you say ”If people are to be closer to God it has to be on His terms. Not by what is acceptable to society. What society finds acceptable is not necessarily acceptable to God.” you just support my argument brother don’t you think so?

I said clearly that the church has its doctrines and you are right some things are acceptable in society but to God,they aren’t and this is our topic of discussion here,so you better realize that when one goes to church when almost naked that is not a trend acceptable to God.

It weakens the faith of the person and also the congregation don’t you think?

Abigael Nyaboke

Abigael Nyaboke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

the church should not bother about dress,it should only bother about the souls

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

No, Church Going is by the world renowned poet Philip Larkin, I hope you enjoy it.

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/church-going/

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i not only enjoyed it,i loved it,here we have a man who really was blessed with a brain that can think wide and yet be simple in presenting.

It is a good poem with a very good message for the society,i just hope everybody who comments on this page today will get some extra time to go there and read it.

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i have read the poem too Sarah but i can’t understand where it comes from or where it is going,i think i will have to ask my dear poet friend Duncan to interpret it to me.

Abigael Nyaboke

Abigael Nyaboke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sarah,am also going to read this poem

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Duncan be fair to mail me your point of view as far as that poem is concerned,i know i can rely on you

Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If I may...

Read this poem from the perspective of a man who doubts everything,Religion, sacredness, everything...but also yearns for something to believe in, like a cynical child, denying santa clause but secretly hoping he’s really there.

He stands there and wonders what will become of this church one day.

Take the title, consume it...then read it on.

Think of this as a poem written by a modern-day man, all practical, all globalized...or is he?

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

maybe he is

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

am going to do that my brother but what i should tell you is that,in poetry we have many interpretation of poetry i might look at it from a different point as you too look at it from another totally different one but in the end of the day both of us are justified,

what am simply telling you is that whatever that you might be thinking about that poem is true to you and can be a point of argument.

expect my point of view very soon,i won’t let you down

Rose Ng'ang'a

Rose Ng'ang'a — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hei Duncan,

Bravo to everyone who contributed to this but first i need someone to tell me what is a church?

I might be confused that why i decided to keep a low profile on this matter.

And what confuses me most why didn’t this particular church state such rules when it was being started since it wasn’t started yesterday.

And since women have been wearing these attires before what was the pastor/preacher waiting for?

My confusion is compounded by the fact that there is a verse in the bible which states that women should not wear men’s clothes so which are these clothes? since i wonder where it is mentioned in the bible that trousers were meant for men.

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i think you have come here with a very different point in head Rose,i have taken time to read this post and the comments and am pretty sure we are not only talking about the specific mentioned church but ”the church as envisioned in the bible” and if you will go through the comments you will agree that alot has been discussed and your quiz is answered in here,i first stated my stand that their is nothing in clothing but i also agree with the members in here that clothing has a point moreover the people in here decided to tackle that topic from a bigger perspective and none of them if you were keen is fighting women who wear trousers.

Johnstone

Johnstone — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Harun Lumiti

Harun Lumiti — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You raise a valid query Rose, with which I concur. Has Apostle James been feasting his eyes all this while when he knew it was wrong or has he just received some new revelation? If that is the rate at which light is being received at the said church, the world may well end before they’ve switched from minis to skirts then back to trousers.

A shepherd who knows what he is doing ought to fix his flock’s spirit and everything else will fall into (or out of!) place. When he says he doesn’t mind losing a few non-compliant faithfuls, it clearly shows that he’s not in the business of nourishing spirits. He has already made lots of money from them and they can now leave if they want because he doesn’t really care about their spiritual welfare. Never did and never will.

To paraphrase;

Woe unto ye false apostles; for you enter not into the Kingdom of the Lord, yet you stop those who are entering not to.

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Harun,i support your comment that”A shepherd who knows what he is doing ought to fix his flock’s spirit and everything else will fall into (or out of!) place. When he says he doesn’t mind losing a few non-compliant faithfuls, it clearly shows that he’s not in the business of nourishing spirits. He has already made lots of money from them and they can now leave if they want because he doesn’t really care about their spiritual welfare. Never did and never will”

Actually the shepherd’s words are not good.

Johnstone

Johnstone — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

some of these shepherds are more wicked than Saturn himself

Rose Ng'ang'a

Rose Ng'ang'a — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanx Harun i hate to see innocent people being misled,when these so called apostles are wooing people to join their churches they always seem to accomodate people from all divides which is not bad, but after amassing enough wealth thats the time they consider issues they deem right but only after accomplishing their goals. And pliz Johnstone get me well i do not support anyone going to church skimply dressed i only want bring some sense in the whole saga if this apostle was sincere enough he would have set his record clear and right at the beginning.

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Rose,are we in any way trying to justify the so-called apostles or we are simply giving our own views concerning the subject that the so-called apostles started?

Johnstone

Johnstone — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

these current world apostles are only but a bunch of greedy hypocrites,it is rare to find one who is genuinely concerned about the faithfuls of the church he/she leads

Duncan Mikae

Duncan Mikae — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

you are right Kajohny,very few of them are in for the gospel

Abigael Nyaboke

Abigael Nyaboke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You are right Rose,some people always judge others depending on judge sheets that are baseless.

Thomas Kanana

Thomas Kanana — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

a good move by the church

Abigael Nyaboke

Abigael Nyaboke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Before judging the dress code,let us judge our conduct in the churches,is it worthy going to church nowadays?

Thomas Kanana

Thomas Kanana — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I have gone trough many comments in here and am convinced that everybody has some homework to do,our ladies should try to dress decently in church and our pastors should change their attitude,what we are seeing in society these days is business cartels under the name of churches.it is highest time the sheep separated from the wolf.